Muntz not heinous enough? What?! He is completetely like Syndrome if not worse in terms of heinoussness. They both committed genoicide (Syndrome against superheroes while Muntz against explorers) and they both attempted to murder kids (except that Muntz used much more painful means for a child to die as Syndrome merely wanted to blow up the plane while Muntz would throw a child from a blimp.) Not even close to Syndrome?! Think again. Though, you do have a lefitimate point that he was driven by paranoia and went insane...
Well, yeah, as you made a good point, he went insane. Syndrome on the other hand, was just a sociopath. But Hopper made a promise to his mother (though I disagree with TV Tropes on that). I think he just obeyed some odd code of honor of grasshopers.
With Hopper his one would be redeeming quality is snuffed out because he constantly abuses Molt at every turn, and feels a strong urge to kill him, and gets mad when it is ever brought up, and it does not do enough to mitigate his vile actions throughout the course of the film.
And Muntz while heinous has a questionible moral agency as well as some pet the dog moments, so therefore he fails the heinous test. Unlike Syndrome who was fully self aware (Syndromes "excuse" is even weaker than Lotso's) All because you were told "no you cant be super" and rejected of a childhood fantasy by your boyhood idol, did not give him any right or justification for becoming a genocidal serial killer.
You guys forgot to mention that Mr. Incredible SAVED Syndrome's life. I still consider Syndrome 99% monster (due to not wanting kill Baby Jack-Jack) but I can completely see where you guys are coming from with considering Syndrome a CM.
Could you request that a mod unlock his page so that Complete Monster can be added to his categories again? You can tell them the reasoning is that we've agreed upon it and all other Pokemon villains listed as Complete Monsters over on All The Tropes are listed as such on here, so Ghetsis should not be excluded simply because TV Tropes doesn't agree.
You might want to do the same for FIM!Tirek as well.
SOUNDWAVE IS THE QUATERNARY ANTAGONIST. STARSCREAM IS THE QUNINARY ANTAGONIST. LASERBEAK IS THE SCENCERY ANTAGONIST. BARRICADE IS THE SEPTENARY ANTAGONIST. DRILLERS ARE 8TH ANTAGONISTS. DREADS ARE 9TH ANTAGONISTS. DONE.
Megatron is Main villain in first, Secondary in second and third films and Tertiary in the fourth as Galvatron. Savoy is the Quarternary in the fourth. Soundwave and Shockwave are the fourth and fifth antagonists in Dark of the Moon.
If that is your opinion that is fine I respect you for it. However nothing except for the main villains in the first three films has really been confirmed. So I am just editing based on my and a few other users opinions.
I am here look the reason I feel Attinger is the big bad overall is due to the fact that what he orchestrates takes front seat in the film, The eradication of Transformers regardless of faction. Lockdown wants to bring Optimus to the creators and in some ways can be considered a bigger bad, Harold is the main antagonist due to his actions resulting in more of a threat to the majority of the characters, most notable the Yeagers.
Though I do agree with you. I just see Lockdown as the main antagonist throughout the film as a threat to the film's protagonist. Though Attinger is the overall primary antagonist since he is the true mastermind and the one who organized the threat towards the Transformers and the Yeagers, as well as KSI. So. You do have a very strong point. And though Attinger is the Primary Antagonist and not the Secondary Antagonist. Lockdown is nothing as the Secondary Antagonist vas well. As is the main antagonist in my prediction. So, there you gom
hello ,Xmike920 , i wanted to tell you're wrong BIG TIME in that Harold Attinger is the main villain in TF4 Age of Extinction ,Lockdown is the main antagonist of the movie ,i have checked and i found out that the solo main antagonist in the movie is actually Lockdown ,Attinger is just the human antagonist and not the film's primary antagonist! ,Lockdown is not the robot villain he (Lockdown) is the film's primary villain/antagonist ,so please ,let me change it ,beacuse i am the best films and cinema expert and i also watching 20 movies at day in front of the computer!.
so this is my opinion and that is the true truth: Lockdown is the true main antagonist in the 2014 Transformers film "Transformers: Age of Extinction" ,Lockdown is working with the film's human antagonist Harold Attinger.
I love the Transformers films besides Age of Extinction which is alright, but I have seen the characters actions, Attinger is the one leading the operation of what the film revolves around, He even sends orders to Lockdown to take Optimus Prime during the Galvatron battle. Plus the film is mainly about how Humanity distrusts Transformers after the Chicago Battle, Attinger siezed on that and serves as the de facto leader of Cemetery Wind wanting to not only wipe out all Transformers regardless of faction, but presumably also profit off their destruction by having remains sent to KSI for production into man made transformers via KSI. These reasons and the fact that he is using Lockdown in his plot are why I consider him the main villain. Yes Lockdown fights with Optimus at the climax while Attinger does not but that is because Harold is a human and cant even put up a fight against a cybertronian robot of such immense size.
I also saw that someone added Attingers henchman Savoy as a complete monster. I agree he coes close but is not quite there as it has been hinted that he has a freudian excuse having lost a sister in Chicago whom he was suppsodly close to. Unless he managed to subvert that excuse, I would say he falls short and is more of an anti or tragic villain despite his ruthless, merciless demeanor. I would agree with Attinger and Lockdown being Cm's however, any opinion on this?
i'm sorry ,but i'm have to disagree with you and in what you saying ,Harold Attinger is the human antagonist ,acshely ,what i'm asking from you?! i'm going to change Lockdown's page to the true main antagonist of the film ,and Attinger to the human villain! ,that's enough! i'm not agree with you ,so ,i'm so sorry i'm saying this for you but: Xmike920 ,go to hell ,you stupid man!
I agree and disagree. Although Attinger is the primary antagonist, as well as the main human antagonist as well. Lockdown is the overall main antagonist, due to the fact that he is actually the one responsible for the main plot and that Attinger made an alliance with him. So. Lockdown is the main antagonist. Attinger is the main human/primary antagonist. END OF STORY
Actually it is the other way around Lockdown wants to capture Optimus and bring him to the creators. That takes a backseat role to the Transformer eradication scheme set up by Attinger that the film revolves around.
Nicky.haugh wrote: Lockdown is the main antagonist ,Attinger is the primary antagonist.
well ,Nickyhaugh you ,Xmike920 and other users are wrong BIG TIME!!! ,don't you get it???!!!!: Lockdown is the true main antagonist beacuse he wants to capture Optimus and defeat him and give him to The Creators! ,but in the final battle Lockdown wanted to kill both Optimus and Cade and his friends!.
Lockdown is the true main villain of the entire movie and Attinger is actually the true secondary antagonist !!!!.
Xmike920 ,i don't think so with your opinion ,i already checked a lots of Lockdown and Attinger and i saw that Lockdown revealed as the true main villain in the movie beacuse of his cruelty for Optimus Prime and The Autobuts and beacuse of his hate to human beings altough he (Lockdown) is coperating with Attinger.
i'm going to re-edit the page of lockdown and you (Xmike920) are not going to stop me!
I like the pair of you. And I love both villains. But I agree that Lockdown is the main antagonist. But Attinger is not the secondary antagonist (HE IS THE SECONDARY MAIN ANTAGONIST OR THE MAIN HUMAN/PRIMARY ANTAGONIST).