Could you request that a mod unlock his page so that Complete Monster can be added to his categories again? You can tell them the reasoning is that we've agreed upon it and all other Pokemon villains listed as Complete Monsters over on All The Tropes are listed as such on here, so Ghetsis should not be excluded simply because TV Tropes doesn't agree.
You might want to do the same for FIM!Tirek as well.
SOUNDWAVE IS THE QUATERNARY ANTAGONIST. STARSCREAM IS THE QUNINARY ANTAGONIST. LASERBEAK IS THE SCENCERY ANTAGONIST. BARRICADE IS THE SEPTENARY ANTAGONIST. DRILLERS ARE 8TH ANTAGONISTS. DREADS ARE 9TH ANTAGONISTS. DONE.
Megatron is Main villain in first, Secondary in second and third films and Tertiary in the fourth as Galvatron. Savoy is the Quarternary in the fourth. Soundwave and Shockwave are the fourth and fifth antagonists in Dark of the Moon.
If that is your opinion that is fine I respect you for it. However nothing except for the main villains in the first three films has really been confirmed. So I am just editing based on my and a few other users opinions.
I am here look the reason I feel Attinger is the big bad overall is due to the fact that what he orchestrates takes front seat in the film, The eradication of Transformers regardless of faction. Lockdown wants to bring Optimus to the creators and in some ways can be considered a bigger bad, Harold is the main antagonist due to his actions resulting in more of a threat to the majority of the characters, most notable the Yeagers.
Though I do agree with you. I just see Lockdown as the main antagonist throughout the film as a threat to the film's protagonist. Though Attinger is the overall primary antagonist since he is the true mastermind and the one who organized the threat towards the Transformers and the Yeagers, as well as KSI. So. You do have a very strong point. And though Attinger is the Primary Antagonist and not the Secondary Antagonist. Lockdown is nothing as the Secondary Antagonist vas well. As is the main antagonist in my prediction. So, there you gom
hello ,Xmike920 , i wanted to tell you're wrong BIG TIME in that Harold Attinger is the main villain in TF4 Age of Extinction ,Lockdown is the main antagonist of the movie ,i have checked and i found out that the solo main antagonist in the movie is actually Lockdown ,Attinger is just the human antagonist and not the film's primary antagonist! ,Lockdown is not the robot villain he (Lockdown) is the film's primary villain/antagonist ,so please ,let me change it ,beacuse i am the best films and cinema expert and i also watching 20 movies at day in front of the computer!.
so this is my opinion and that is the true truth: Lockdown is the true main antagonist in the 2014 Transformers film "Transformers: Age of Extinction" ,Lockdown is working with the film's human antagonist Harold Attinger.
I love the Transformers films besides Age of Extinction which is alright, but I have seen the characters actions, Attinger is the one leading the operation of what the film revolves around, He even sends orders to Lockdown to take Optimus Prime during the Galvatron battle. Plus the film is mainly about how Humanity distrusts Transformers after the Chicago Battle, Attinger siezed on that and serves as the de facto leader of Cemetery Wind wanting to not only wipe out all Transformers regardless of faction, but presumably also profit off their destruction by having remains sent to KSI for production into man made transformers via KSI. These reasons and the fact that he is using Lockdown in his plot are why I consider him the main villain. Yes Lockdown fights with Optimus at the climax while Attinger does not but that is because Harold is a human and cant even put up a fight against a cybertronian robot of such immense size.
I also saw that someone added Attingers henchman Savoy as a complete monster. I agree he coes close but is not quite there as it has been hinted that he has a freudian excuse having lost a sister in Chicago whom he was suppsodly close to. Unless he managed to subvert that excuse, I would say he falls short and is more of an anti or tragic villain despite his ruthless, merciless demeanor. I would agree with Attinger and Lockdown being Cm's however, any opinion on this?
i'm sorry ,but i'm have to disagree with you and in what you saying ,Harold Attinger is the human antagonist ,acshely ,what i'm asking from you?! i'm going to change Lockdown's page to the true main antagonist of the film ,and Attinger to the human villain! ,that's enough! i'm not agree with you ,so ,i'm so sorry i'm saying this for you but: Xmike920 ,go to hell ,you stupid man!
I agree and disagree. Although Attinger is the primary antagonist, as well as the main human antagonist as well. Lockdown is the overall main antagonist, due to the fact that he is actually the one responsible for the main plot and that Attinger made an alliance with him. So. Lockdown is the main antagonist. Attinger is the main human/primary antagonist. END OF STORY
Actually it is the other way around Lockdown wants to capture Optimus and bring him to the creators. That takes a backseat role to the Transformer eradication scheme set up by Attinger that the film revolves around.
Nicky.haugh wrote: Lockdown is the main antagonist ,Attinger is the primary antagonist.
well ,Nickyhaugh you ,Xmike920 and other users are wrong BIG TIME!!! ,don't you get it???!!!!: Lockdown is the true main antagonist beacuse he wants to capture Optimus and defeat him and give him to The Creators! ,but in the final battle Lockdown wanted to kill both Optimus and Cade and his friends!.
Lockdown is the true main villain of the entire movie and Attinger is actually the true secondary antagonist !!!!.
Xmike920 ,i don't think so with your opinion ,i already checked a lots of Lockdown and Attinger and i saw that Lockdown revealed as the true main villain in the movie beacuse of his cruelty for Optimus Prime and The Autobuts and beacuse of his hate to human beings altough he (Lockdown) is coperating with Attinger.
i'm going to re-edit the page of lockdown and you (Xmike920) are not going to stop me!
I like the pair of you. And I love both villains. But I agree that Lockdown is the main antagonist. But Attinger is not the secondary antagonist (HE IS THE SECONDARY MAIN ANTAGONIST OR THE MAIN HUMAN/PRIMARY ANTAGONIST).
I would also say that Lockdown and Attinger of the four villains in the film qualify as Complete Monsters. Lockdown because of how he endangered a whole city by dropping metallic objects in an attempt to recapture Optimus Prime, and Attinger because of his willingess to profit off the destruction of Transformers and get rich.
I also agree both villains are monsters but the thing I don't agree with is Lamborghini Aventador here being the "only" main antagonist as Attinger is the lead here being considered a "secondary" despite being more like the main antagonist. Again, do not add Attinger again to secondary as he is no secondary villain. He is the main villain as he plotted everything & started all the events of the fourth film by killing all Autobots consisting of Ratchet & Leadfoot, & possibly his bros. Topspin & Roadbuster as well as Sideswipe, Chromia (if you still believe she survived the events of Revenge of the Fallen), Wheelie (Brains survived the crash so presumingly Wheelie too) & even my really favorite Autobot, the Ferrari 458 Italia for his selfish desire. He even have tried to kill Optimus & Cade & his family for his selfish desire & he doesn't even owe the Autobots about what they have done & I hate his stupid racist character. Lamborghini can't qualify as the main antagonist as he is just following orders from Attinger & the Quintessons, though he still qualifies as a CM.
I would say no to Galvatron and Savoy being CM's. Galvatron was your generic doomsday villain wanting to rebuild his army using the seed. And Savoy was a tragic villain who lost his sister during Dark of The Moon and whose actions although heinous could be traced back to Attinger so they dont quite qualify in my opinion.
Nah. Lockdown is the main antagonist. Attinger is the main human/primary antagonist. Although Attinger is not the secondary antagonist. I truly meant to say is that just because Attinger is the primary antagonist. Doesn't make him the main antagonist throughout out the film.
Actually its the other way around, Attinger is the de facto big bad mainly because he is orchestrating what the films plot revolves around. Lockdown is working for/with him, in what the main plot revolves around. Unlike most big bads he does not die last however, That is beacuse he cannot fight head on a giant cybertronian. Please stop reverting the edits, I truely believe what I am saying is right.
Correction Nicky.haugh: Attinger is the main villain of Transformers: Age of Extinction & definitely not Lamborghini Aventador (my preffered nickname for Lockdown's film incarnation). I have watched the film myself tons of times & I am a Transformers fan for your information so I know everything about who's an Autobot & who's a Decepticon. Attinger is the main villain cause he is the brains & is the one who started all the mess in the film which turned almost all the remaining Autobots into traumatized human-fearers as he killed MOST of the remaining Transformers in the film regardless of faction just for the sake of money & a deed even far WORSE than most of Megatron's incarnations, The Fallen, Dylan Gould, the Quintessons & Unicron. Lamborghini is NOT the main villain for he is just following orders from Attinger & the Quintessons. He was just a false promotion made up by Hasbro due to wanting to promote the robots more than the humans. Also just because he is the last villain to die doesn't automatically mean he is the main villain for not all main villains in every series always die last as sometimes one of the minions dies last instead after the climatic fight.
The Lamborghini is the main villain idea is obviously fake. I watched the film multiple times. Bay fooled us when it comes to the who is the main villain, like what he did in Dark of the Moon regarding Shockwave & Sentinel Prime & Hasbro is just promoting Lamborghini more than Attinger cause they always don't give a damn about the human villains, only Decepticons & robot villains (even labeling these unnaffiliated robot villains as Decepticons in the toys & games such as the Sharkticons & even Lamborghini) as I have known this kind of scheme for a long time since G1, most likely on Dr. Arkeville's case as he never showed up again after Starscream turned him into a cyborg. Their labeling him cause they need money from the toys they sell. Though many G1 fans might say Bay's depiction of the Transformers in the films sucked, at least I like his idea & promotion of human villains in the films, the first being Gould & Attinger being the second.
The only thing is that most of his actions took place offscreen, nameley his abuse of his son, and that killing the hero isn't heinous enough either. His plan to freeze over the Unova region, while bad, doesn't really prove he's monstrous. The video game doesn't even say that his plan would lead to the deaths of millions of people. It's only fridge horror, which is something that a complete monster cannot have. Again, he is not a complete monster. Don't add him again.