Muntz not heinous enough? What?! He is completetely like Syndrome if not worse in terms of heinoussness. They both committed genoicide (Syndrome against superheroes while Muntz against explorers) and they both attempted to murder kids (except that Muntz used much more painful means for a child to die as Syndrome merely wanted to blow up the plane while Muntz would throw a child from a blimp.) Not even close to Syndrome?! Think again. Though, you do have a lefitimate point that he was driven by paranoia and went insane...
Well, yeah, as you made a good point, he went insane. Syndrome on the other hand, was just a sociopath. But Hopper made a promise to his mother (though I disagree with TV Tropes on that). I think he just obeyed some odd code of honor of grasshopers.
With Hopper his one would be redeeming quality is snuffed out because he constantly abuses Molt at every turn, and feels a strong urge to kill him, and gets mad when it is ever brought up, and it does not do enough to mitigate his vile actions throughout the course of the film.
And Muntz while heinous has a questionible moral agency as well as some pet the dog moments, so therefore he fails the heinous test. Unlike Syndrome who was fully self aware (Syndromes "excuse" is even weaker than Lotso's) All because you were told "no you cant be super" and rejected of a childhood fantasy by your boyhood idol, did not give him any right or justification for becoming a genocidal serial killer.
You guys forgot to mention that Mr. Incredible SAVED Syndrome's life. I still consider Syndrome 99% monster (due to not wanting kill Baby Jack-Jack) but I can completely see where you guys are coming from with considering Syndrome a CM.
Could you request that a mod unlock his page so that Complete Monster can be added to his categories again? You can tell them the reasoning is that we've agreed upon it and all other Pokemon villains listed as Complete Monsters over on All The Tropes are listed as such on here, so Ghetsis should not be excluded simply because TV Tropes doesn't agree.
You might want to do the same for FIM!Tirek as well.
SOUNDWAVE IS THE QUATERNARY ANTAGONIST. STARSCREAM IS THE QUNINARY ANTAGONIST. LASERBEAK IS THE SCENCERY ANTAGONIST. BARRICADE IS THE SEPTENARY ANTAGONIST. DRILLERS ARE 8TH ANTAGONISTS. DREADS ARE 9TH ANTAGONISTS. DONE.
Megatron is Main villain in first, Secondary in second and third films and Tertiary in the fourth as Galvatron. Savoy is the Quarternary in the fourth. Soundwave and Shockwave are the fourth and fifth antagonists in Dark of the Moon.
If that is your opinion that is fine I respect you for it. However nothing except for the main villains in the first three films has really been confirmed. So I am just editing based on my and a few other users opinions.
I am here look the reason I feel Attinger is the big bad overall is due to the fact that what he orchestrates takes front seat in the film, The eradication of Transformers regardless of faction. Lockdown wants to bring Optimus to the creators and in some ways can be considered a bigger bad, Harold is the main antagonist due to his actions resulting in more of a threat to the majority of the characters, most notable the Yeagers.
Though I do agree with you. I just see Lockdown as the main antagonist throughout the film as a threat to the film's protagonist. Though Attinger is the overall primary antagonist since he is the true mastermind and the one who organized the threat towards the Transformers and the Yeagers, as well as KSI. So. You do have a very strong point. And though Attinger is the Primary Antagonist and not the Secondary Antagonist. Lockdown is nothing as the Secondary Antagonist vas well. As is the main antagonist in my prediction. So, there you gom