I totally disagree with that assessment. Nothing Drefus did in the actual film qualifies him as a villain. Even him calling the army was the right choice because he and his colony of humans were attacked by the apes with many of them being killed and imprisoned by Koba. Dreyfus was perfectly willing to live in peace with the apes he held no hatred for them nor did he ever want war. Carver however was the human flipside of Koba just to a lesser degree, everything he did was out of hate and revenge. Carver was way more of a direct antagonist to Caesar than Dreyfus was.
I partly agree to both. Carver was much more of a villain than Dreyfus, he was a brutal jerk, who wanted war and always caused problems between humans and apes. Dreyfus was only a villain in the very ending of the movie, when he wanted to blow up the tower, so I don't think he should be considered a villain. However, if he does count a s a villain, he's definately the secondary antagonist, as he has a MUCH bigger role in the movie. Carver even dies about in the middle of the movie, so he doesn't have much influence on the plot.
My argument is that i honestly dont think Dreyfus even counts as a villain at all. If you think about it, everything that labeled him as a villain came from the trailers so it would surprise the audience when it's revealed that Dreyfus, the human leader, isnt an antagonist at all and that Koba, an ape, is the main villain of the film. Even at the end where he blows up the tower, consider his intentions, they certainly weren't villainous, the actions Dreyfus took were to save his people from death and slavery at the hands of the evil ape warlord that had just captured and murdered alot of the people he was in charge of protecting. On top of that Carver is an antagonist, and a villain, through out his entire time in the film, in his first appearance on screen he single-handedly kicks off the Human/Ape conflict.
I mean, seriously? Carver was simply a jerk, that is all he was. He was no force to be reckoned with. Heck, he gets killed pretty early in the film, so he didn't really have that much of an effect on the plot. Koba and Dreyfus helped to start the war between humanity and apes, so he's the secondary antagonist.
How did Dreyfus help start the war? Because he called for help after his colony is attacked and overwhelmed by an ape army? This is the act that makes him a villain? He literaly watched as the apes began massacring the humans in his colony and then capturing and caging any survivors. He called the military simply for aid. At what point in the film did he ever want to mount an attack on the apes, he was just testing the weapons they had in stock in case they needed to protect themselves, which they had to do when Koba attacked and started killing humans. Carver literally fired the first shot in the human ape conflict by shooting an innocent teenage ape for no reason, as well as threatining to shoot both Caesar's teenage and infant son's when his shotgun was found, he showed more hatred towards Caesar and the apes then dreyfus, or any other human, ever did in the film.
He's really not a minor character at all, at what point he dies in the film is irrelavant to how much of a villain or antagonist he was to the protagonist. to me what makes him the secondary antagonist his his direct hatred for the apes and their leader Caesar, his inability to let go of that hate leads to a conflict with the apes, and opens the door for Koba to enact his plan. Carver is the character that the trailers made Dreyfus out to be. My second point I'm trying to make is that Dreyfus is really not a villain at all. He really is just a guy trying to protect his people, he does'nt hate Caesar or the apes and was willing to live in peace with them had koba not attacked him first, he was just acting in self defense and nothing more.
Reyfus wasnt truly evil, but neither was carver they all had good reasons to hate the apes. Carver was a minor antagonist, but Dreyfus was very major and while he wasn't truly evil, he was obviously going insane as the film went by.
I think you guys are missing the point of this character. Dreyfus never wanted to get rid of the apes he just wanted the power turned back on, he even let Malcolm go and make peace with the apes so it wouldnt come to fighting. Carver was a threat, as I explained before, because of his hatred starting the conflict. Koba may have hated the humans and wanted war but without Carver shooting Ash, smuggling weapons into their village and threatning to shoot Caesar's son, the other apes would not have gone along with Koba's plan as easily and Koba would have never had a scapegoat for shooting Caesar. Carver gave Koba the excuse he needed to rally the apes to his cause. Dreyfus never went insane he was trying to destroy the apes that had killed and enslaved people in his colony he called the military for help because he was attacked without provocation by the apes. He never once expressed a major hatred for the apes, the actions he took at the end were out of defense of his colony, not hatred or revenge, that's why i believe he doesnt qualify as a villain.
I fully understand what a secondary villain is, and Carver fits that criteria. I dont know why you guys are insisting that he is a minor character when he's really not at all. He's one of the main human characters in the film and a major antagonist to the apes and his own human compatriots through out his whole time on the screen. Dreyfus simply is not a villain and I'm all for taking his page off this wiki, the only reason his page was created in the first place was because of all the advertising for the film made him out to be the main antagonist of the film, to hide the fact Koba is the main villain.