Hey, General? Was your vacation good? Hope so, listen. There was a slight controversy over at the RLV Wiki about adding the Maltheistic version of God and the Gnostic version of Jesus Christ to the wiki. I had initially deleted those two articles several times, but they were inevitably re-added regardless. I had then made a blog that stated that there will be no more articles revolving around religious figures. However, was this right, or should we change it around to say that only religious figures that are universally recognized as being evil should be added to the wiki, and disregard new-world thinking about universally benevolent beings?
It's me, Kevin Kaiba, the creator of the Father Stack page. I've read your additions to my page, and I like them. However, not criticising you or anything, if you modify any of my pages in future, I'd prefer it if you ask my permission before you edit, as I placed an 'article under construction' note on Father Stack.
P.S Thank you for making the edits. I take it you're another Father Ted fan, like me?
Sorry I was unaware that you wished to complete the page, its just a lot of people who leave under construction don't come back to finish it. And yes, I am a fan, I like it its part way sureal, part satire and all in all hilarious and well written.
Now, for other pages under the Father Ted villains page, would Father Billy O'Dwyer (the DJ from "Think Fast, Father Ted"), Father Joe Briefly (Ted's old mate on the plane in "Flight Into Terror"), Father Todd Unctious (from "A Christmassy Ted") and Father Jessup (Bishop Brennan's PA from "Kicking Bishop Brennan Up the Arse") count?
Father Billy O'Dwyer would as he's a gamballing addict sevearly in debt who ends up stealing his friends money to help himself out. And father Todd Unctions as he was a fraud and a trickster who was purposely trying to steal Ted's award.
But I think Father Joe Briefly and Father Jessup were just jerks, not nice, but not particually villanious.
I would also include Pat Mustard (from "Speed 3") as aswell as being an adulter, he outright tried to murder Dougal, Fargo Boyle (from "Chirpy Burpy Cheap Sheep") who tried to rig the competetion so the odds would be higher on his sheep, and Father Daimen Lennon (from "The Old Grey Whistle Theft") as he was a brat who stole the whistle and tried to frame Dougal for it.
Good. I'll start on those whenever I can. Fathers Briefly and Jessup aren't villainous per ce, but Jessup did try to reclaim something from Father Jack (the wine he'd stolen from the Bishop) and Jack fought him.
Father Noel Furlong (hyper) could be a neutral evil. I mean, look at how he treats his youth group, then Tony snaps. Then, the Nazi priest, Richard Wilson, Eoin McColfer (or however you spell it) and Sister Assumpta.
I think Father Noel Furlong was just extremely annoying and possibly insane, as opposed to outright villainous.
I guess there is the Nazi priest, I did considered him, but he wasn't really that openly villainous despite his ideology.
I don't think Richard Wilson should count, sure he did beat them up, but he didn't seem villainous, just really sick of people bothering him with that catchphrase while he was trying to enjoy his holiday.
Eoin McColfer, now I don't remember them, remind me which episode were they in?
And oh yeah Sister Assumpta deffinatly counts, she was insane, abusive and sadistic. How could I forget her? That was one of my favourite episodes.
I look forward to it, if you want some help I'll be happy to create a couple.
Eoin McColfer was a singer in the penultimate episode "Night of the Nearly Dead". He visited the house where Ted and co. live, and then all the housewives of Craggy Island follow (a housewive's Justin Bieber, in a nutshell).
Now I remember, I don't know he seemed a massive jerk and idot, bordering only being slightly mentally retarded. Then again did act like a total jerk to everyone and stole things from them at the end, so he might count.
About the whole anti-villain thing with Lucifer, true that Lucifer's actions were indeed his own fault and he wasn't remotely as tragic a villain as he saw himself as, as pointed out by Death and Gabriel, but wouldn't he still count as an anti-villain, because of how Lucifer kept telling himself and others that he was fighting to save the Earth from humanity before Gabriel exposed the truth about why Lucifer really wanted humanity destroyed?
No, to be Anti-villain, you've got to be a villain motivated by a genuine cause, and have genuinally non villainous traits. Lucifer wasn't trying to save the world, he claimed to be and perhaps he convinced himself he had, but his true motivation was he was simply trying to destroy mankind cause his father liked them better than they liked him. He brought all his problems on himself cause he was arrogant and envious and he beytrayed his family out of a petty matter.
I know this may sound a little too blunt and is too irrelevant to the wiki, but I'm just wondering about your character you asked TVfan to diagnose. What do you use him for, role-playing, use him for some fan-made material, etc? I'm just wondering. Sorry if I sound a tad odd, he just sounds like an interesting character,
There really is no good reason to delete the category. I just started it yesterday, it will grow tremendously. Many villains have this disorder. Why delete it? What hurt is it causing?
Plus, its the same thing with the category that got deleted - "Villains with narcissistic personality disorder" - that one could be a huge category. Instead I got a message that it was the same as "Egomaniacs". It isn't the same. NPD is a clinical personality disorder that is pathological and psychopathic in its personality structure. Egomaniacs doesn't even begin to describe a true clinical narcissist.
(I'm the guy who tagged the NPD category for deletion BTW)
NPD = a clinical disorder where someone thinks they are higher than others and have lack of empathy for others
Egomania = a self obsession where someone thinks they are higher than others and have a lack of empathy for others.
They're pretty much the exact same thing. And wikipedia says, and I quote, "The clinical condition that most resembles the popular conception of egomania is narcissistic personality disorder." Yes, they're not identical, but it's extremely redundant and should without a doubt be deleted.
And I know what you're going to say, I shouldn't be arguing about stuff I don't know about because I know nothing about in depth psychology. But here's the thing. Most people don't, especially random contributors at a database about FICTIONAL villains. Like General said, just keep it simple with what almost everyone knows about; Sociopathy and Psychopathy. Now, maybe, just maybe your categories could be accepted at the real life villains wiki, but not here.
Well, I am a psychology major and I can take care of the nitty and gritty. First of all, NPD used to be called "Megalomania".
Egomania may "resemble" narcissism, but not pathological narcissism - as in having narcissistic personality disorder. It is a psychopathic personality structure. "Egomania" is vague and can describe someone like Paris Hilton, or Kim Kardashian. But who told you that Egomaniacs lack empathy, and better yet, how would you know that? What is it that lead you to this erronous conclusion? "Egomania" is simply a selfish, vain, and self-important person. Or it can be defined in another way. NPD has a real definition, it is a diagnosable clinical condition that is pathological. Ted Bundy had narcissistic personality disorder, he wasn't an "egomaniac".
Narcissists are evil. I cannot begin to describe the pathology behind this disorder. You clearly have very limited knowledge on the subject matter, and I don't mean that to be offensive. I'm just being real.
That's the thing, you're using REAL LIFE examples (Ted Bundy, KK, PH). This is a wiki about fictional villains and nothing else. Now, I added this to my first saying:
"And I know what you're going to say, I shouldn't be arguing about stuff I don't know about because I know nothing about in depth psychology. But here's the thing. Most people don't, especially random contributors at a database about FICTIONAL villains. Like General said, just keep it simple with what almost everyone knows about; Sociopathy and Psychopathy. Now, maybe, just maybe your categories could be accepted at the real life villains wiki, but not here."
Plus, the sociopathy and psychopathy category pages specifically state that the description of what qualifies as a fictional sociopath/psychopath don't necessarily qualify to what real life psychopathy and sociopathy is.
So, if you want to use these real life disorders, you may want to redirect at the real life villains wiki. It's more likely they be accepted there.
But what I'm saying is many of these characters have been studied by real psychologists and psychiatrists. Some are even used as examples to teach medical students and psychology students. Darth Vader is one example. Okay, forget Bundy, but Catherine Tramell (Basic Instinct) is a text book NPD case that is actually used to teach students in college. Describing her as an "egomaniac" is really an understatement if you've seen the movie and understand the depth of her evil. Alex Forrest from "Fatal Attraction" is a borderline personality disorder case that also is used to teach students. Kathryn Merteuil, who is also a borderline personality is also used as an example. So is Annie Wilkes, who suffers from BPD w/ schizoid, schizotypal, and obsessive-compulsive features.
Another one is Patrick Bateman from "American Psycho". He is commonly brought up in psychology courses to show the manifestation of borderline personality disorder in males.
http://real-life-villains.wikia.com/wiki/Real_Life_Villains_Wiki Here's a link to it. Seeing how an admin is okay with it, go ahead and add all of the categories you want. Though the wiki may have a few unnecessary pages *coughs* bronies *coughs* and isn't as active as this wiki is, it does have a lot of pages and good management.
Another thing I'd like to add, I really don't like having everyone labelled as a psychopath or a sociopath (the two are NOT the same thing, btw). Both terms are outdated, vague and virtually every villain can be labelled as such because of the broad definitions that people ascribe to them (usually aren't accurate). A sociopath is simply laymens term for someone who is afflicted with antisocial personality disorder. A psychopath is not a diagnosable personality disorder, rather it is a cluster of traits from antisocial, narcissistic and borderline personality disorders. You can be a borderline psychopath, or you can be a narcissistic psychopath, or an antisocial psychopath. Psychopathy has subtypes, at least, that is what the evidence in most recent research indicates - the subtyes are borderline, narcissistic, and antisocial. There used to be the idea that psychopathy was split into primary and secondary, with those suffering from NPD or AsPD as primary psychopaths, while those with BPD as secondary psychopaths.
Both pages for pyschopathy and sociopathy gives out a list of what traits each villain needs to qualify as such. Like I said, here at least, a real life psychopath/sociopath is far different from a fictional psychopath/sociopath. Yes, you could label fictional characters with more specific disorders by spectating and researching every aspect of their wicked personality, but it's much easier to call them psycho/sociopaths by simply skimming over their usual character traits, AKA the ones listed on the pages: http://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Sociopathshttp://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Psychopath
Maybe its just me, but I am very picky about putting the proper condition to the villain. Dexter Morgan had "Sociopaths" and "Psychopath" as categories. In fact, Dexter Morgan is not a sociopath because he isn't suffering from antisocial personality disorder. He is neither a psychopath because he doesn't have a Cluster B personality structure or constellation, meaning he is neither borderline, narcissistic or antisocial (a psychopath can can one of these, two or all three). Dexter is afflicted with schizoid personality disorder, which is not a psychopathic personality structure unless it is co-morbid with one of the afromentioned three. These are the types of mistakes and inaccuracies that are really annoying.