And despite the Timber Wolf from Benji the Hunted and the Wolves from The Grey not being anthropomorphic, the wolves (especially the alpha) wanted revenge on Ottaway and his crew for killing one of his pack members. And what Jackson Storm did to Cruz during the last lap was illegal of what seemed like attempted murder. The Timber Wolf actually had an eagle for a companion until after the Eagle fails to catch another cub for him. The Eagle singals the Timber Wolf to attack Benji from behind and tried to take one of the cubs for the Wolf to kill. It is assumed that the Wolf killed the Eagle after he fails to catch another cub. Oh yeah, and I'll put their personalities to let the other admins know.
Before I create them, please tell B1bI1kal and Love Robin about this. And tell them that even though they're not anthropomorphic, the main thing we should worry about is their personality and watch the full movie before deleting it.
First of all, I wanted to know another admin's opinion about Jackson Storm, so I can agree with you if he says no. Second of all, I saw what I saw in the movie. There is one scene where the Eagle signals the Wolf to ambush Benji. The Timber Wolf is shown to have an extremely violent and destructive nature, wishing to kill and destroy. Though his reasons as to why he wants to kill the cubs are unknown, some suggestions have arisen such as a hatred for dogs, a desire to kill any friends a dog knows, or simply an innate desire to kill. He shows intelligence beyond a simply hungry and carnivorous predator; he is extremely wrathful, sadistic, homicidal, and manipulative with sinister intentions and goals. Btw, have you seen the movie, or just the video on the page?
Oh. And I wanted to hear another admin's opinion about Jackson Storm. I just said what he did was illegal, and it looked like attempted murder. I didn't say it was attempted murder. In The Grey, one of the characters in the movie says these wolves have a 300-mile hunting radius, will attack anything that comes near their den, and “are the only animal that will seek revenge."
this user is repeatedly abusing categories despite being warned, such as re-adding Pure Evil to Door Gunner (as well as completely unrelated categories such as "Animal Abuser" (never seen attacking animals), Warlord (he never ruled an army) and Psychopath (which he has re-added despite being told the character is not a psychopath).
A thought has occurred to me on our classifications. How do we deal with mis-aimed interpretations of a work? This is sort of the next stage from Villains by Proxy, someone that was not meant by the creator to be a villain but is clearly viewed as one by the audience, and no I don't mean simple fan-hate. Here is the sample that occurred to me, but considering the Unfortunate Implications trope, this is hardly an isolated or even small possible situation:
I recently watched a movie called "Christmas with the Kranks" - a couple decide to skip Christmas, their neighbor-hood are very close-knit and try to "rekindle" the Christmas spirit in them (at least this is how the movie seems to present itself but it is not so much rekindling as forcing them to celebrate). Now the movie clearly wants the Kranks to be the antagonists despite being the PoV characters, but the implications are still that it if you don't celebrate Christmas according to your local community's pack-mentality you need to be harassed until you conform. Every critical review I have found points this out and there is a lot of hatred for this film based on it's attempted moral, however that is not what it was made for. These would be more than Ensemble Dark-Horses or Rooting for the Empire, this would come up for creator miscalculations on base story-structure for who is at-fault. So in this situations who would be the antagonist, the couple or the neighbors? Creator intent vs audience reception? Who is the antagonist and how do we categorize it with this sort of media in mind?
"Lasombra is by far the most dangerous villain Arnold has ever faced, as well as the darkest and most evil villain in the entire Hey Arnold! series." Why do you keep removing this? It's a pivotal piece of information to let people know that he's much worse than all the other villains including as Scheck. Why do you keep removing it?
Because that's purely subjective. While PE is an objective category, you can't just say that Lasombra is the most evil character in Hey Arnold namely because of the argument that Schek is worse. But yes, Lasombra lacks the (attempted) body count that Schneck has, but Schneck doesn't qualify either due to being a generic corrupt corporate executive for the most part.
So recently I've been seeing a bunch of different reasons for people downvoting nominations for VFH. Most are good reasons, like repetivitve character types, same franchises, etc. Others are the "I don't like him" or "He's boring" types, and those are properly taken care of. However, I've noticed an increase of "That character is a cliche" or "That character type is dumb", mainly with nominations like Slender Man and Yuno Gasai. With those, I have to ask: are those just "I don't like them" reasons, just covering a whole character type instead of the single character? Additionally, are some of them shaming the nominators for their likes/dislikes?
For example, when Slender Man was nominated, it was attacked by people calling him and the Creepypasta fanom in general "outdated", "overused", and "something only dweebs on the internet like". Not only does calling a character "overused" seem like an "I don't like him" reason, but calling them "outdated" doesn't hold up, as charaters from the early days of media to the most recent have been nominated. And with the "nobody likes him" or the "people who like him are dumb" reasons are just there to shame and belitttle the nominator for what they enjoy.
In Yuno's case, people have reasoned: "yanderes are embarassing anime creations from anime with no content but random gore", basically being an "I don't like them" reason for the entire yandare character archetype and shaming those who do enjoy yandare characters and gore/violent animes.
With all that being said, do you think we should add/enforce some stricter rules about downvoting, ones that reserve downvoting for logical reasons? It's fine if you don't like Slender Man or Yuno Gasi, but should the reason for downvoting be reserved to something more universal? Again, it seems like most of the reasons why Slender Man was downvoted were people who call him overrated, which seems like simple "I don't like him" reasoning. And again, some of these downvotes seem particaularly targeted at making the nominator feel bad, such as in the case of "only dweebs like him" or "they're embarassing creations".
Tbh, there aren't many other reasons to downvote a villain for the VFH. Sure, there is the good old "it's getting repetitive (insert genre or whatever here)". But I don't think there are that many others. I think the rule is more for if someone downvotes a candidate and only says something like "I don't like this villain. Boring." rather than developed and actual reasonings (like the Yuno Gasai comment Macaulyn did, where he provided actually reasoning for downvoting the candidate).
people get very polarized over Slender Man due to many reasons (the real life crimes didn't help matters) - people are very polarized over creepypasta as a whole, many see creepypasta as very subpar horror at best due to things like Sonic.EXE and so on.
however they can't say that Slender Man is outdated, he has a film coming up in mainstream media etc.. I think it's just the nature of internet that people will hate other people's fandoms when they feel they are overexposed.
MenInBlak wrote: Well, he is outdated. I'm almost certain that 80% of the comment section on the Slender Man movie trailer on YouTube is about that "they are 5 years late".
maybe but it doesn't stop them making it.. same as all the FNAF games.. they wouldn't keep making them if people didn't watch.. young people will always arrive to keep life in "outdated" franchises.. kids still use Trollface, a meme most older people abandoned long ago.
Additionally, the crimes are bad, but we've had other exploitative villains nominated (some even won) that inspired real-life crimes. Joker (Nolanverse) inspired attacks and clown stalkers, and Light Yagami inspired an attempted Death Note-themed mass murder in Japan, both in the past ten years. Saying Slender Man is "too controversial and an inspiration for the crime" is hypocracy, as being controversial and exploitative is just the risks you take with any villainous character.
But that's not exactly what I'm talking about. It's totally fine to hate Slender Man: he is a bit overhyped and to some, not very scary. But to others he's an icon of horror and one of the mascots of the internet's rise to popularity and freedom of expression. So saying "he's an outdated meme" or "he's something only dweebs like" seem insulting and not very good arguments, as they are just "I don't like him" reasons. I think admins allow these menial reasons on characters like Slender Man because they "just don't like him" either, which seems a bit unfair.
no character is ever truly "outdated", a style however can be outdated fast.. look at Superman.. the character is not outdated despite him originating at least in 1940s.. however he needs to adapt constantly to society's change or his style becomes dated.
no way in heck would Silver Age Superman survive in today's society - his style of story at that time would be mocked out of any media today.
that's the problem Slender and his like face, the style of creepypasta and memes is dated by design.. they need to reinvent him every now and then to keep him "fresh".. that comes at a price as people will complain any new takes on him is "not Slender" while attempts to keep him the same will make him stale and outdated.
internet is like that, you can not win.
I don't think admins on this site care either way - the problem with characters as overused as Slender Man and FNAF is people are so exposed to them that they begin to dislike them by default.. just like Superman.. many hate Superman just for being Superman but if they sat down and watched a different take on him they may enjoy him (hate New 52 and the dark Superman? watch the Golden Age Superman.. who embodies good and does no evil.. hate the "invincible" Silver Age Superman? try and watch Smallvile or Justice League, where he is depowered significantly.. the list goes on..).